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  • “Few readers realize that it costs more than $10 to produce and deliver each copy of the Sunday Chronicle.”

    Disclosure of costs. What a concept.

    Feb 1, 2009 at 08:33 pm — Robert Knilands
  • My comment is not about the new format, but the fact that the typesize is too small.  Most of our friends are commenting that it is “uncomfortable” to read, even with glasses.  I know it’s a financial struggle to balance the costs and production of a daily newspaper, but I worry that you will lose a large percentage of the population in their sixties or over.
    Thank you.  Carol Lind (415-789-0892)

    Feb 2, 2009 at 10:42 am — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Tiburon, CA)
  • Just spoke with Carol Lind — I’ll be listening to these reactions from readers and making course corrections as needed. We tested the body copy using focus groups with positive results. As we hear from our readers differently - we will change. Stay tuned. And Carol, thank you kindly for your comment.

    Nanette Bisher, San Francisco Chronicle

    Feb 2, 2009 at 12:17 pm — Nanette Bisher (San Francisco Chronicle)
  • I (as an 11 year old) hate to see my favorite comics disappear.  I loved to read a majority of the comics that are not in the paper anymore. I’m sure that kids and adults that read the SF Chronicle are very disappointed. I hope you listen to this idea. You should get a vote on which comics people want. Thank you!

    Feb 2, 2009 at 06:19 pm — Reva Swiedler (Oakland,CA)
  • Carol:

    You’ll come to find that most redesigns make the type too small. That’s because designers (the people controlling this site) either (1) don’t read the paper; (2) don’t think anyone reads the paper; (3) want less text so they have less text to read on the job.

    As soon as this redesigned paper is available at the local library, I’ll take a look at it. But I should mention that almost every newsroom I worked in thought pages should be proofed at 70 percent of the size of regular pages, so I can generally read tiny type.

    Also, I’d be interested in hearing from anyone who can’t read the new version. Have them e-mail me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), or they can register to post on the forum at http://www.wenalway.com/forum.

    Feb 3, 2009 at 01:10 am — Robert Knilands
  • Appreciate Nanette Bisher responding in the comments to Chronicle readers. One of the things that’s always impressed me about the management in San Francisco, even as a competitor when I worked in San Jose, is how seriously they take feedback.

    Feb 3, 2009 at 11:16 am — Matt Mansfield (Northwestern University)
  • I love the new look. It makes each section easy to find and gives each one a better identity. I like the table of contents for each section as well. I am also glad you put Leah Garchik back on the back page of Datebook. It just makes the whole paper easier to read and very pleasing. Congratulations to you and your talented graphics staff.

    Feb 3, 2009 at 12:10 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
  • With Tuesday’s edition of the San Francisco Chronicle we responded to complaints about the redesign and increased the point size and leading of stories, among other changes.

    Before the redesign was approved we put printed prototypes in front of several focus groups, including teams of longtime subscribers representing the diversity of our readership. Not once was there a complaint about the legibility of the body copy. It seemed we were okay with the choice. Obviously not, so we made adjustments.

    Thanks for the feedback,
    Nanette

    Feb 3, 2009 at 12:39 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (The San Francisco Chronicle)
  • Nanette,

    Thanks for your interest in our comments. It’s refreshing to know that you are listening. I wish you the best with your new format.

    Carol Lind

    Feb 3, 2009 at 01:24 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Tiburon, CA)
  • So, what was the previous point size and leading? What are the current numbers? What are the other changes? What prompted those?

    Feb 3, 2009 at 02:28 pm — Robert Knilands
  • You had me at “new, full-color presses.”

    In a landscape littered with rushed redesigns and nip-tuck rethinking, it’s inspiring to see an effort executed with such elegance and intelligence. Congratulations on a 2009 evolution as fitting as the beautiful city the Chron represents.

    Feb 3, 2009 at 02:29 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (Orlando Sentinel)
  • For those interested, there is a discussion on sfgate.com about the changes today in type size: http://tr.im/eefp

    Feb 3, 2009 at 02:38 pm — The Eds (Society for News Design)
  • At that link, though, it says only that the type size was increased. It doesn’t say what it went from or what it went to. Nor does it elaborate about other changes.

    Are those details available? If so, where? If not, why not? If not not, why so? If not so, why not?

    Feb 3, 2009 at 03:27 pm — Robert Knilands
  • Why are you trying to improve something that is beyond repair?  There are too many band aids. Try starting over. Give us a paper that will update us on current news, local
    national and international.  Each catagory needs objective comments/columnists.
    Please give me a paper I can share…one setion at a time. Please don’t suggest I go to SFGATE for more info. I know I can do that IF I WANT TO!  I prefer to read the paper. With all your fine technical equipment I still got a Sunday paper with ‘pleats’!  AND, I DO NOT WANT TO KEEP THE TV SECION I RECEIVE ON SUNDAY FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK!  Please print a daily TV schedule.
    What needs to happen is either a HUGE improvement or some good old fashion competition…two papers for San Francisco!

    Feb 3, 2009 at 05:12 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (LONG TIME SUBSCRIBER DALY CITY CA.)
  • I, too, do not understand why newspapers cannot run daily TV grids. It seems to me that would be a good way to fill half to three-quarters of a page, with some ads at the bottom.

    The bottom line, though, is that redesigning this newspaper is the ultimate example of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Feb 3, 2009 at 05:26 pm — Robert Knilands
  • Changes are a mixed-bag. Where is TV guide (a must have)? Where is Dennis the Menace” cartoon? I like local, state, national and world news summary boxes. Also, print the “Business” Section front to back not “bass- ackwards” left to right.

    Gordon J. Tucker

    Feb 3, 2009 at 07:21 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (San Francisco)
  • I can’t stand the new chronicle.  First, it looks like they are TRYING to be the USA today.  We are not the US, we are San Francisco, California, USA.  The typeset SUCKS, it is all random set.  I cannot stand the new Bay Area section.  The redesign is not working. So, I read it section by section; I LOVE WEDNESDAYS.  Or, used to.  Yesterday, as I prepared to read the Food section after finishing the Datebook I was shocked to find that it NO LONGER EXISTS.  It is kind of like the NYTimes taking the Science Tuesday section out.  I am so sad:(

    Feb 5, 2009 at 02:24 pm — Erin (CSM, San Mateo)
  • in response to the woman who said that the chron had focus groups….think about it. people are doing focus groups for money these days, because they may be out of a job.  Or, for money.  Anyhow…i am thinking that the focus groups may not have been to accurate.

    Feb 5, 2009 at 02:27 pm — Erin (CSM, San Mateo)
  • OK, question. We don’t often see these types of reader comments in the design threads. How are these folks arriving here?

    Feb 7, 2009 at 01:41 am — Robert Knilands
  • In response to Robert Knilands: I haven’t posted a comment here, but I found the page by typing:

    “san francisco chronicle” “new format”

    in Google.  It’s the third link.

    Feb 7, 2009 at 12:41 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
  • (Well of course *now* I have posted here…)

    Feb 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
  • people who don’t like the new format in a search

    Feb 7, 2009 at 12:43 pm — Erin (CSM, San Mateo)
  • The Chronicle’s new look is based on new fonts (size/arrangement/type), more color, more pictures, and a different layout.  I expect a newspaper’s primary goal to be the delivery of news in print.  The Chronicle’s new format simply does not help with this.  While some people do like the format, I suspect that people primarily interested in news are going to be indifferent in the best case, and annoyed in the worst case.  People interested in flashy colors and pictures are already spending time with magazines, tabloids, TV, and the internet.  The new format will alienate some of its “news” readers but will be unlikely to pick up the “entertainment” readers.

    I would have been much more impressed if the changes were about how people were trying to improve the quality of the stories.  That’s where the heart and soul of a paper is.

    Feb 7, 2009 at 04:42 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
  • LOVE LOVE AND LOVE THE NEW DESIGN OF SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE. EASY TO FIND EACH SECTION, more inviting to read each inch of it.
    Thanks to your talented designers and to the whole team of the Chronicle.

    Feb 8, 2009 at 03:48 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (San francisco)
  • Rob @ 4:42:

    Sadly, page designers don’t see it your way. In their world, the stories “live or die” (as one person phrased it recently) on their presentation and their presentation alone. That includes the things you listed: fonts, color, layout, etc.

    The designers have no ability to improve the quality of the stories. Many, if not most, of them, have never covered a beat. They have never line-edited any stories. They have never assigned an article or handled it from inception to conclusion. They have never worked with a city editor to improve any article; instead, they whine pitifully about all of the articles being “too boring.” No specifics are ever cited; no solutions are ever offered. They are a force of negativity among anyone who cares about writing or editing, and editors have been grossly malfeasant at their jobs for allowing this nonsense to continue.

    Ultimately, this is why newspapers are dying. People can blame the Internet or TV or sunspots, but the ultimate problem is the newspapers are no longer worth reading. And a primary reason for that is the perpetual obsession with redesigns and tiny, irrelevant details that few to no readers care about. These “goals” are driven by people who would have a difficult time explaining any of the articles they allegedly read during their shift.

    Feb 9, 2009 at 11:56 pm — Robert Knilands (Wenalway -- steroid-free since going pro)
  • I like the new design a lot. It is very reader-friendly. But I REALLY miss the fact that the food and wine have been combined and more important to me is that the food section has been switched to Sunday. I will be patient, but there is already a lot to read on Sunday.

    Feb 12, 2009 at 09:45 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
  • A vast improvement to be sure. In my mind, the redesign is clean and understated—something that will look appropriate for quite a few years without major tweaks. As a daily reader I am already used to it and it feels comfortable. I am surprised (but not disappointed) that a more non-traditional format was not employed. Of any daily in the nation, SF seems an ideal candidate to take large risks in news presentation (and get away with it).

    Feb 19, 2009 at 07:11 pm — .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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Denise M. Reagan named SND-Foundation president

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It is my pleasure to announce Denise M. Reagan as the president of the Society for News Design Foundation effective immediately — she takes on a three-year term that involves leading the Foundation’s efforts in research and education, as well as coordinating the Foundation’s board of trustees.

“I am so excited to take on this new challenge,” said Denise. “I have always been a huge supporter of SNDF’s mission, and I can’t wait to help boost its profile. I want to let people know how the Foundation’s money has helped so many people, from the yearly student travel grants to the scholarship recipients to the free Web Design Boot Camp registrations for unemployed journalists and many more.”

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SND lands grant for Web Boot Camp training

The Gannett Foundation has just made it a lot easier for SND members to get the training they need to transition to careers in online journalism.

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Thank you, SND

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Hello, SND members. I hope this note finds you all in full holiday swing, heading into your best year ever. As 2009 draws to a close, I wanted to update you one last time on where we are.

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An interview with Elise Burroughs

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The beginning of a new year also marks a transition for SND: The end of Elise Burroughs’ service as executive director.

Over the past five years Elise has worked tirelessly to strengthen the Society on many fronts, helping find new avenues for fund-raising, spread the Society’s footprint around the globe and countless interactions with members. Elise is a dedicated professional who immerses herself in every challenge. In anticipation of our workshop this fall in Buenos Aires, she even began learning Spanish.

Elise was kind enough to share some of her thoughts on SND, design and the state of the industry.

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New members: Join SND, bring a friend for free

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It’s the season of giving, and the SND leadership team would like to give you a way to bring your friends into the Society in the year ahead.

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SND headquarters moving to Florida

The Society for News Design and the Society for News Design Foundation are moving to Florida.

As of Dec. 12, 2009, please remit all payments and direct all correspondence and invoices to:

SND 424 E. Central Blvd., Suite 406 Orlando, FL 32801 Phone: (407) 420-7748 Fax: (407) 420-7697

Direct all inquiries to the Executive Director, Stephen Komives, skomives@snd.org.

SND’s Web site and main e-mail address remain the same: http://www.snd.org; snd@snd.org.

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Best of Scandinavian News Design competition will include mobile media

Last year SNDS upgraded the online news design competition. This year SNDS takes a further step into the online media business and will include the judging of mobile media.   “Mobile media is a growing platform widely used by news media. It is therefore natural for Best of Scandinavian News Design to include this platform into the annual news design competition,” says Flemming Hvidtfeldt, chairman of Best of Scandinavian News Design competition.

Mobile media will be a category under the online competition. The net jury will judge the entries. Learn more at http://snds.org/Default.aspx?ID=71&Purge=True

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Design the cover of the 31st edition

SND’s fourth annual cover competition for the 31st edition of The Best of News Design™ is under way.

A panel of 12 judges will begin reviewing cover entries soon after the competition’s Dec. 18 deadline.

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Pardon our dust, HQ is moving

SND’s new executive director, Stephen Komives, has completed an intense week onsite in Rhode Island, leading the transition of SND’s headquarters from an office park in North Kingstown, R.I. to a virtual office that will be based in Orlando, Fl. Stephen, Executive Director Elise Burroughs and Membership Manager Susan Santoro are immersed in the process of establishing new bank accounts, incorporating SND in Florida and moving equipment to ensure a smooth transition.

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A call for volunteers
A call for volunteers

We are starting to make plans for an exciting 2010. We’d like to invite everyone to help reboot SND.

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You’re invited to a meetup in North Carolina Dec. 12!

Join us for a Saturday of presentations AND conversations, Dec. 12, 2009 from 9:30 until 1:30 at the Hickory Daily Record, 1100 Park Place, Hickory, N.C. 28603. An optional, informal lunch will follow with plenty of time for more conversation, networking and Q&A.

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Web Design Boot Camp Comes to Chicago Nov. 7-8

If you’ve been looking for an opportunity to expand your print design skills to the Web, look no further. SND’s acclaimed, two-day introduction to the essential building blocks is coming to Columbia College in Chicago. In this weekend course we’ll demystify the Web 2.0 toolbox and help you build a compelling, news-driven package from scratch. We’ll focus on HTML/CSS (the foundation of the Web) and how to integrate widgets from Google, Twitter, Flickr and more. See the details, including hotel and travel information, here. Then register for theWeb Design Boot Camp — space is limited!

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